presonus Studio live

[heavybdrums]

So.. this has me a bit confused. Bruice, am i correct in assuming your 2 sl boards are the 16 channel variety? I'm looking at the 24.4.2 ai which is a bit different as regards the fat channel limiter. from presonus users fb page: The limiter is a brick wall that can be set in the bigger boards. But the smaller boards are not settable. Limiter On/Off Turns on the Limiter for the Selected Input Channel or Output Bus.When the limiter is engaged the button will illuminate. The ratio is ∞:1.StudioLive 16.4.2 only:The threshold for the limiter is set to 0 dBFS.The Limiter is available on all input and output buses.Limiter Threshold (StudioLive 24.4.2 only) Sets and Displays the Threshold of the Limiter for the Selected Channel or Output Bus.
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[DJPhatman]

Limiter On/Off Turns on the Limiter for the Selected Input Channel or Output Bus.

This is why it is NFG. If you cannot limit just the mains out, it's wasted FX. And, since the mains and the subs have different limits....

[Bruce Weldy]

Limiter On/Off Turns on the Limiter for the Selected Input Channel or Output Bus.

This is why it is NFG. If you cannot limit just the mains out, it's wasted FX. And, since the mains and the subs have different limits....

Yep, that's right.

We limit the subs because you can't hear them distorting. Tops can be heard. Of course, you can limit them too, but it's at a different voltage.

The only reason to limit the master output is to control volume.....as my hands are the only ones on the board, I don't use that.

[heavybdrums]

Thanks guys, likely moot at any rate as the amps are gonna have dsp including limiter. but the point being the 24 channel board has variable ratio limiter for each fat channel applied to each input/output, however while the attack can be set to .001 ms the ratio max is 14:1..not exactly infinity. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PLD42. for 4 channel monitors. and http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PLD43 for mains and subs,

[James Champer]

Ooooh, hold the phone - I'm starting to dig the Soundcraft Ui16 and even the Behringer XR18 Air.

I just got a MS Surface. Might be the perfect wifi touch screen mixer interface for one of these.

And they're about HALF the price. of a PreS. (and lighter too!)

Hmmm, am I crazy here? Anyone have any experience with either?

[BrentEvans]

Anything that requires WiFi should not be taken into a venue where there is WiFi. At summer point you're going to lose control. 5g s better than 2.4g but not immune to interference. All me how I know all of this.

[James Champer]

That's actually one good thing about the Behringer... cat 5 OR wifi.

Cat5 is a hell of a lot easier/cheaper/more reliable than a traditional snake



Well, that and 18 mic pre's

[guitarkeys.com]

16 mic pres.

You have to watch what all these boards refer to as "inputs".

That being said, the XR18 is the clear winner in my book in terms of software work flow. I actually like it a little more than the X32 software in terms of layout and flow.

[James Champer]

You have to watch what all these boards refer to as "inputs".

I know rite? Even Soundcraft has included the RCA's and USB's etc. in their "16".

That being said, the XR18 is the clear winner in my book in terms of software work flow. I actually like it a little more than the X32 software in terms of layout and flow.

Does that mean you've worked with both?

Do tell! Lots of use?

[James Champer]

I have a fellow musician that has the XR. Loves it but just told me the only drawback for him is that it doesn't have an app for the iphone and it seems that all the apps available are different to some degree per OS.

Oh, and the Ui16 DOES support ethernet as well.

[guitarkeys.com]

I've used the X32 quite a bit, and the XR18 a few times.

If I was consistently running bands with 16 channels or less the XR18 would get my vote as the navigation is fast and the access to channels is much fastener because you can almost "see" all of them on the screen (iPad).

Live sound is about speed and immediate changes so multi clicks are an issue for me.

iPhone stuff seems like a great idea until you notice that all you band does the whole gig is screw with their monitor mix.

[James Champer]

Ah, good info, thanks. The XR is slowly winning the battle with me. I might miss the Lexicon effects and the dbx feedback control (well maybe not since I'm keeping my 260) but could certainly use the extra inputs and interface ease. Looks easier to use out of rack as well. Might be worth the extra $150 after all. I just hope it's as quiet as the SC is purported to be.

Sorry OP, total highjack.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[heavybdrums]

Ah, good info, thanks. The XR is slowly winning the battle with me. I might miss the Lexicon effects and the dbx feedback control (well maybe not since I'm keeping my 260) but could certainly use the extra inputs and interface ease. Looks easier to use out of rack as well. Might be worth the extra $150 after all. I just hope it's as quiet as the SC is purported to be.

Sorry OP, total highjack.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

nah man, its all good, more stuff to learn from this discussion, and it does have to do with boards in general.

[heavybdrums]

I've used the X32 quite a bit, and the XR18 a few times.

If I was consistently running bands with 16 channels or less the XR18 would get my vote as the navigation is fast and the access to channels is much fastener because you can almost "see" all of them on the screen (iPad).

Live sound is about speed and immediate changes so multi clicks are an issue for me.

iPhone stuff seems like a great idea until you notice that all you band does the whole gig is screw with their monitor mix.

I have not equiped my band members with ipads or any other means of doing their own mixes when i mix and play, and sure don't see any reason to do it when I am the operator for someone else, it just creates problems...especially when I'm standing right there with my ipod to make adjustments for them. I like them to only think about playing music..not the ipad and other distractions.

[James Champer]

Yeah, I would never tell my band that it's even a possibility. It's tough enough to get them to concentrate on silly things like, you know, notes and stuff.