CHEAP SPKR CABLE: SPEAKON TO SPEAKON

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Re: CHEAP SPKR CABLE: SPEAKON TO SPEAKON

#16 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice »

doncolga wrote:should I tin the ends before putting them in the Neutriks?
No, bare copper holds better.

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#17 Post by Bruce Weldy »

here's the ones you want... NL4C

http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/fc-series/nl4fc

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#18 Post by doncolga »

Bruce Weldy wrote:here's the ones you want... NL4C

http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/fc-series/nl4fc
The place I got my cable from does carry these and will exchange the ones I've got for some of those. They indicated they're much better too, just more expensive.
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#19 Post by DanielNY »

Interesting, I never used those heads and since I cut them off I don't know if mine were in the same condition. I bought a batch of Neutrik Speakon NL4 heads, about 10-12, which still put the total cost below $100.00 for 100ft of custom size 12G cable. Still a good deal.
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#20 Post by Harley »

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
doncolga wrote:should I tin the ends before putting them in the Neutriks?
No, bare copper holds better.
+1 - in fact I tried tinning the ends when I first used Speakons and found very quickly that tinning ruins "the grip"
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Re: CHEAP SPKR CABLE: SPEAKON TO SPEAKON

#21 Post by rec »

I bought a 25ft cable and am making 5ft speak on (neutrik)jumpers for my (4) t30's. The factory end that I am leaving in
place has solder on the wire connection in addition to the screw. Is this necessary? There is really not enough room to
get a small soldering tip in there with out melting the connector.
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#22 Post by wallywally »

rec wrote:I bought a 25ft cable and am making 5ft speak on (neutrik)jumpers for my (4) t30's. The factory end that I am leaving in
place has solder on the wire connection in addition to the screw. Is this necessary? There is really not enough room to
get a small soldering tip in there with out melting the connector.
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Soldering is not required on a screw type connector. If you ever need to remove that connector just cut it off.
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#23 Post by BrentEvans »

Bruce Weldy wrote:here's the ones you want... NL4C

http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/fc-series/nl4fc
I like the 4X better.

http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/spx-series/nl4fx
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#24 Post by Bruce Weldy »

Ok Brent, you made me go look.

You're right - the twist on housing of the X is a little better than the C. I have mostly Xs and just a couple of Cs.

They both work good. I think the Cs are a little cheaper.

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Bruce Weldy wrote:Ok Brent, you made me go look.

You're right - the twist on housing of the X is a little better than the C. I have mostly Xs and just a couple of Cs.

They both work good. I think the Cs are a little cheaper.
It's not just the housing. The screw terminals on the X are better too. They insert at an angle and are easier to work with.

Worth every penny of the cost difference... which is usually about $2... less... :)

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#26 Post by Dave Non-Zero »

They have I higher amp rating too.
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#27 Post by doncolga »

The ones I've been getting locally are 2FC's and the 12 gauge is proving to be tricky getting in...not sure how I did it the other evening, but the ones I tried today didn't work....the wire was just too thick. The 2 pole diameter only accepts up to 10 mm where the 4FC's to to about 15mm. Now I do have one 4FX and it goes up to 14.5 mm and it was really easy to wire, taking a wider diameter and super easy access to the screws.
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#28 Post by BrentEvans »

doncolga wrote:The ones I've been getting locally are 2FC's and the 12 gauge is proving to be tricky getting in...not sure how I did it the other evening, but the ones I tried today didn't work....the wire was just too thick. The 2 pole diameter only accepts up to 10 mm where the 4FC's to to about 15mm. Now I do have one 4FX and it goes up to 14.5 mm and it was really easy to wire, taking a wider diameter and super easy access to the screws.
It's generally OK to snip a few strands of wire to make a connector fit... as long as there's enough for good mechanical fit (at least half or so). NL4s are designed for #14 stranded IIRC. Use a small flush cutter to take off a few strands of #12 and it works just fine.
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#29 Post by doncolga »

http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/spx-series/nl4fx

Under Technical Information this says these work with 10-12 AWG and the 2FC says it's for 12 AWG...maybe my cable is actually 10 AWG...
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#30 Post by Dan30 »

doncolga wrote:http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/spx-series/nl4fx

Under Technical Information this says these work with 10-12 AWG and the 2FC says it's for 12 AWG...maybe my cable is actually 10 AWG...
I got NL4 connectors for Leland the ebay cables were kinda hard to bet it I had to twist and squeeze em down with needle noses to get them in the holes.
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