OMGDave Non-Zero wrote:yeah but the point is - you thought about that before doing it.
Curved Grill WH10
- Harley
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- Dave Non-Zero
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Re: Curved Grill WH10
next he will be asking for directions when he is lost! 
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Built and/or own:
8 x T48 24" 3015LF
6 x DR280
2 x DR250 old style beta10
2 x T36s 20" delta15L
1 x TAT
1 x dual Lab12 30" T60
In Progress:
2 x DR280
Built and/or own:
8 x T48 24" 3015LF
6 x DR280
2 x DR250 old style beta10
2 x T36s 20" delta15L
1 x TAT
1 x dual Lab12 30" T60
In Progress:
2 x DR280
Re: Curved Grill WH10
The throats closed with foam plugs:

The trimmed quartet:

The quartets cleaned from the cutting residues and ready for gluing:

Arrays glued and left to dry:



The trimmed quartet:

The quartets cleaned from the cutting residues and ready for gluing:

Arrays glued and left to dry:

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Re: Curved Grill WH10
Wait, the grills get their own jig but the poor arrays just get to get glued on a piece of square stock? No jig for the glue up? 
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matthewmdn
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Re: Curved Grill WH10
That is beautiful work!
So someone was saying that they liked the colored piezo arrays and that was making me wonder. Can you paint these arrays or did they find hot pink piezos on ebay? I really like the colored arrays too.
Thanks for the answers on the DIY glue too. I am totally going to try it.
So someone was saying that they liked the colored piezo arrays and that was making me wonder. Can you paint these arrays or did they find hot pink piezos on ebay? I really like the colored arrays too.
Thanks for the answers on the DIY glue too. I am totally going to try it.
- jswingchun
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Re: Curved Grill WH10
LOL, I was going to ask why no pictures of the 45 degree angle cutting jig after seeing the pics of the jig for cutting the sides.mpm32 wrote:Wait, the grills get their own jig but the poor arrays just get to get glued on a piece of square stock? No jig for the glue up?
Omni 10
Omni 10.5
OmniTop 12 x 4
Wedgehorn 8 x 3
XF212
T39 @ 18" x 2
T39 @ 20" x 2
T39 @ 28" x 2
Jack 110 x 5
Jack Lite 12
XF210
XF210 (Slant only, no crossfire)
Omni 10.5
OmniTop 12 x 4
Wedgehorn 8 x 3
XF212
T39 @ 18" x 2
T39 @ 20" x 2
T39 @ 28" x 2
Jack 110 x 5
Jack Lite 12
XF210
XF210 (Slant only, no crossfire)
Re: Curved Grill WH10
The Piezos already got their share of fancy jigs...mpm32 wrote:Wait, the grills get their own jig but the poor arrays just get to get glued on a piece of square stock? No jig for the glue up?
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(If Possible…)
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- AT, TAT
- Tuba 48
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- Truck Tuba
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- 6 DR290
- Omni10.5
- AT, TAT
- Tuba 48
- 2 WH10
- Truck Tuba
http://www.boniton.co.il
http://www.bt-12.com Balanced Tilting Sounds Better...
Re: Curved Grill WH10
The melded arrays are melded…

I must say I am really impressed with this DIY glue. Very easy to apply, and the result looks as if it was joined by Ultrasonic welding:

The arrays wired:

Diffusers installed:

I've arranged this test setup to see what the melded arrays actually produce:

This is the response curve:

Not so clear in the picture, but the Piezos 'wake up' just over 1 kHz. With the X-over high passing at around 1.5 - 2kHz that looks good.
The two significant peeks at 4kHz and between 6 and 8kHz will be easily trimmed with the send EQ.
Next: final assembly


I must say I am really impressed with this DIY glue. Very easy to apply, and the result looks as if it was joined by Ultrasonic welding:

The arrays wired:

Diffusers installed:

I've arranged this test setup to see what the melded arrays actually produce:

This is the response curve:

Not so clear in the picture, but the Piezos 'wake up' just over 1 kHz. With the X-over high passing at around 1.5 - 2kHz that looks good.
The two significant peeks at 4kHz and between 6 and 8kHz will be easily trimmed with the send EQ.
Next: final assembly
Authorized Builder
- 6 DR290
- Omni10.5
- AT, TAT
- Tuba 48
- 2 WH10
- Truck Tuba
http://www.boniton.co.il
http://www.bt-12.com Balanced Tilting Sounds Better...
- 6 DR290
- Omni10.5
- AT, TAT
- Tuba 48
- 2 WH10
- Truck Tuba
http://www.boniton.co.il
http://www.bt-12.com Balanced Tilting Sounds Better...
Re: Curved Grill WH10
Forgot to show a little tip/trick regarding attaching the melded array diffuser…
Before attaching the diffuser tube to the array, I folded around it a long piece of fine grit sandpaper,
and while pressing it lightly in its intended position, I slid it along the tube axis up and down a few times.
This achieved two things: it marked exactly where the contact points are so I knew were to put the adhesive,
and also it roughened those points a little so the adhesive would grip better.
Here after marking with the sandpaper:

I used black silicone compound for attaching the diffuser tube – a bead to each mark/point.
The diffuser tube is made of 16mm (5/8") house plumbing pipe.
Its outer and inner layers are Polyethylene and an Aluminum layer in between (locally known as SP)
Here a close-up of the contact points (and pipe section…):


Before attaching the diffuser tube to the array, I folded around it a long piece of fine grit sandpaper,
and while pressing it lightly in its intended position, I slid it along the tube axis up and down a few times.
This achieved two things: it marked exactly where the contact points are so I knew were to put the adhesive,
and also it roughened those points a little so the adhesive would grip better.
Here after marking with the sandpaper:

I used black silicone compound for attaching the diffuser tube – a bead to each mark/point.
The diffuser tube is made of 16mm (5/8") house plumbing pipe.
Its outer and inner layers are Polyethylene and an Aluminum layer in between (locally known as SP)
Here a close-up of the contact points (and pipe section…):

Authorized Builder
- 6 DR290
- Omni10.5
- AT, TAT
- Tuba 48
- 2 WH10
- Truck Tuba
http://www.boniton.co.il
http://www.bt-12.com Balanced Tilting Sounds Better...
- 6 DR290
- Omni10.5
- AT, TAT
- Tuba 48
- 2 WH10
- Truck Tuba
http://www.boniton.co.il
http://www.bt-12.com Balanced Tilting Sounds Better...
- Harley
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Re: Curved Grill WH10
I can't get black pipe here the right dia, so I have to settle with grey and spray paint it black! 
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matthewmdn
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Re: Curved Grill WH10
So does it do anything to the sound to paint the whole thing when it's done. If it's ok to do what prep/paint should be used.
- Kirk Baptista
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Re: Curved Grill WH10
I found some 5/8" clear acrylic tubing and spray painted the inside. Came out nice and shiny!
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2 Jack Stack, Kappalite 3012HO
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Re: Curved Grill WH10
Only if you listen with your eyesmatthewmdn wrote:So does it do anything to the sound to paint the whole thing when it's done.
A little scuffing...and some Krylon in a rattle can. And your done!matthewmdn wrote:If it's ok to do what prep/paint should be used.
TomS
Re: Curved Grill WH10
I have never bothered to paint tweest, but shouldn't the opening be plugged up since the new piezos are glued?Tom Smit wrote:Only if you listen with your eyesmatthewmdn wrote:So does it do anything to the sound to paint the whole thing when it's done.A little scuffing...and some Krylon in a rattle can. And your done!matthewmdn wrote:If it's ok to do what prep/paint should be used.
Built:6 t39, t18, 4 Jack10, 2 autotuba, 2 SLA,2 wedge, 2 TT, 2 Tritrix, curved sla, 2 otop212, 2 SLA pros, Ported 8" sub, 2 ported 210, dual ported 8" sub
Re: Curved Grill WH10
Yup, that too.SeisTres wrote:I have never bothered to paint tweest, but shouldn't the opening be plugged up since the new piezos are glued?Tom Smit wrote:Only if you listen with your eyesmatthewmdn wrote:So does it do anything to the sound to paint the whole thing when it's done.A little scuffing...and some Krylon in a rattle can. And your done!matthewmdn wrote:If it's ok to do what prep/paint should be used.
TomS
