2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

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2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#1 Post by bthiemann80 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:16 pm

Hi, I was wondering if the Simplexx cabs worked like the Jack cabs where additional cabs (such as two S10 cabs vertical stack) have the same overall SPL (as in a single S210) only louder. Thanks!

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#2 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:57 pm

A 210 is the same as two 110s. But while one 210 has the same SPL as two 110s that means it's the same volume, not louder.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#3 Post by bthiemann80 » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:55 pm

Ah, I understand. Thanks Bill!

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#4 Post by bthiemann80 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:06 am

So then would two S10 cabs have the same SPL as one S10 but louder?

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#5 Post by Bruce Weldy » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:52 am

bthiemann80 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:06 am
So then would two S10 cabs have the same SPL as one S10 but louder?
No, you misunderstood Bill's answer. A cab with two drivers is the same as two cabs with one driver each. No difference. Either of those choices will be louder than one cab with one driver. SPL and loudness are joined at the hip. If the SPL is higher, it is louder.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#6 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:30 am

I don't think the OP understands what SPL stands for. It's Sound Pressure Level. In layman's terms, how loud, specified in decibels.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#7 Post by bthiemann80 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:58 pm

You are both right, I am generally confused when it comes to things of this nature and apologize for not being more concise. I am looking into building a pair of S10 cabs to use as a more portable rig instead of my Jack 210 which lives at the rehearsal studio. The Jack 210 was built for me by someone I no longer have the best contact with. I do not have the time or desire to undertake building two Jack 10s myself as I am a novice handyman at best. The s10s will be a challenge enough with full time job, wife and a trio of kids under 6 and weekend gigs. Anyways, I remember Bill saying something to the effect of a Jack 210 having the same response curve as a Jack 10, only the Jack 210 would be louder of course. I was wondering if the same applied for the Simplexx 10 cabs. Looking at the prior posts I believe I have a bit more to learn about speaker terminology. I appreciate your input and patience.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#8 Post by Bruce Weldy » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:18 pm

bthiemann80 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:58 pm
You are both right, I am generally confused when it comes to things of this nature and apologize for not being more concise. I am looking into building a pair of S10 cabs to use as a more portable rig instead of my Jack 210 which lives at the rehearsal studio. The Jack 210 was built for me by someone I no longer have the best contact with. I do not have the time or desire to undertake building two Jack 10s myself as I am a novice handyman at best. The s10s will be a challenge enough with full time job, wife and a trio of kids under 6 and weekend gigs. Anyways, I remember Bill saying something to the effect of a Jack 210 having the same response curve as a Jack 10, only the Jack 210 would be louder of course. I was wondering if the same applied for the Simplexx 10 cabs. Looking at the prior posts I believe I have a bit more to learn about speaker terminology. I appreciate your input and patience.
So, I'm assuming that you are playing bass through the Jack 210? Yes, in answer to your question, 2 of any cab with the same power being applied will be louder than 1....Jack or Simplexx or Peavey or whatever.....

Now, your Jack 210 will be louder than two Simplex boxes because of the design of the box - it will play lower and louder.

So, your idea of building two smaller cabs to make moving them easier is sound - as long as you don't expect those two to be as loud as your Jack 210. If you had more than enough juice with the Jack, then the Simplexx should take care of you.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#9 Post by bthiemann80 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:44 pm

Yes Bruce, I am playing bass through these cabs. I definitely do not expect the same sound from the Jack 210 as from the 2x S10 cabs. I have rarely had to turn the master volume beyond 12 o clock to get heard with the Jack, I am glad to hear the S10 cabs will give good volume with extra power.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#10 Post by Bruce Weldy » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:52 pm

bthiemann80 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:44 pm
Yes Bruce, I am playing bass through these cabs. I definitely do not expect the same sound from the Jack 210 as from the 2x S10 cabs. I have rarely had to turn the master volume beyond 12 o clock to get heard with the Jack, I am glad to hear the S10 cabs will give good volume with extra power.
Don't know what drivers you have in the Jack, but put the best driver you can in the S10 - you'll lose a little low end compared to the Jack and you'll want to compensate with EQ and volume - to do that, you need the speaker with the most xmax to let that happen without farting out. Don't go cheap and you should be fine.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#11 Post by bthiemann80 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:27 pm

The speakers are eminence Deltalite 2510. Thanks for the advice Bruce!

Edit: 2510 speakers for both Jack 210 and will be used for s10 pair as well

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#12 Post by Bruce Weldy » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:36 pm

bthiemann80 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:27 pm
The speakers are eminence Deltalite 2510. Thanks for the advice Bruce!

Edit: 2510 speakers for both Jack 210 and will be used for s10 pair as well
No problem. Just be careful about trying to crank up the bass on hour head - better to turn down a little highs and turn up the volume. More punch at a higher frequency is better than adding a lot of lows and rattling at low volume.

Good luck with the build.

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Re: 2 S10 cabs same as 1 S210?

#13 Post by bthiemann80 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:30 pm

Thanks Bruce!

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