Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#31 Post by ctmullins » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:32 pm

Looks great! Too bad about the first one; I'm curious about how much difference that inch would make acoustically...
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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#32 Post by jdmrivera » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:32 pm

ctmullins wrote:I'm curious about how much difference that inch would make acoustically...
Yeah, I wonder. Maybe somebody who knows will chime in. I resisted the urge to throw it in my burn barrel :wink:
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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#33 Post by DJPhatman » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:21 pm

jdmrivera wrote:
ctmullins wrote:I'm curious about how much difference that inch would make acoustically...
Yeah, I wonder. Maybe somebody who knows will chime in. I resisted the urge to throw it in my burn barrel :wink:
You could just PL 1" strips, or the cutoffs, back on to save them. PL, wax paper, some wood cauls and some spring=loaded clamps, dampen the joints, lay down the PL, attach the strips, then spring clamps over wood cauls over wax paper. Give it a day or 2 to fully cure (bringing them into the warmer house helps a LOT) then sand and trim.
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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#34 Post by jdmrivera » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:36 pm

General question about design.
The midrange driver is 6.5" diameter but the horn for it only has a 3.5" opening (less really with the plug) where the driver attaches to the horn. I'm curious how that works with covering up so much of the driver.
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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#35 Post by CoronaOperator » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:44 pm

jdmrivera wrote:General question about design.
The midrange driver is 6.5" diameter but the horn for it only has a 3.5" opening (less really with the plug) where the driver attaches to the horn. I'm curious how that works with covering up so much of the driver.
http://www.centauriaudio.com.au/diy/plugs.html
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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#36 Post by jdmrivera » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:23 pm

Thanks for the link.
More pics tomorrow. Woofer is breaking in right now. I have midrange and tweeter cutouts done. Midrange horn installed and most internal braces done.
Would do pics tonight but my phone is busy playing 30hz tone for woofer break in.
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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#37 Post by jdmrivera » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:09 pm

Latest progress:

Back is cut and here I'm marking the hole locations.
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Back flanges, internal braces and horn installed. I've also installed t-nuts in the flanges to hold the back on.
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View from the front.
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I made one sanding pass to see where are all the spots that need filling with bondo.
After letting the large driver play all night on the bench with a 30hz tone at about 11 volts, I noticed a slight buzz that seemed to be coming from somewhere near the outside edge of the cone. Couldn't really identify exactly where. I'll turn it on again this evening and see if it's still doing it.
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Omni Tallboy 15 w/3015LF (My BBQ music Machine!)
2 Lab 12 T39s 24" Wide
4 OT12s, 2 Melded Array, 2 Flat Array

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#38 Post by DJPhatman » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:13 pm

jdmrivera wrote:After letting the large driver play all night on the bench with a 30hz tone at about 11 volts, I noticed a slight buzz that seemed to be coming from somewhere near the outside edge of the cone. Couldn't really identify exactly where. I'll turn it on again this evening and see if it's still doing it.
Do this outside, as far away as you can from buildings and vehicles. 30Hz can cause so many objects to resonate.
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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#39 Post by jdmrivera » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:59 pm

DJPhatman wrote:Do this outside, as far away as you can from buildings and vehicles. 30Hz can cause so many objects to resonate.
Will do. I also picked up an Inuke NU3000DSP. Will be interesting to see if that makes any difference.
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4 OT12s, 2 Melded Array, 2 Flat Array

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#40 Post by jdmrivera » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:01 pm

Another noob question. The schematic for the bandpass crossover appears to show the negative end of the 22uf cap connected to the positive input from the amp. The capacitor I bought is polarized. Is there any issue with connecting the negative lead on the cap to positive input?
https://www.parts-express.com/ruby-gold ... r--020-668
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Omni Tallboy 15 w/3015LF (My BBQ music Machine!)
2 Lab 12 T39s 24" Wide
4 OT12s, 2 Melded Array, 2 Flat Array

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#41 Post by CoronaOperator » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:20 pm

The capacitor I bought is polarized. Is there any issue with connecting the negative lead on the cap to positive input?
https://www.parts-express.com/ruby-gold ... r--020-668
Have you ever picked a dandelion and then held it in your hand and flicked off the flower? Cause if there is more than 3 or 4 volts going the wrong way through a polar cap that is what happens to the top of it. As audio is AC it gets current in both directions. I don't have the plans in front of me but I would double check to see if a polarized cap is acceptable.
Built:
17" width 10" driver Autotuba
2 x 29" width dual Lab12 Tuba60
6 x DR250 2510/asd1001
In progress:
2 x DR250 2510/asd1001
For best results, point the loud end of the array towards the audience

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#42 Post by jdmrivera » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:47 pm

CoronaOperator wrote: I don't have the plans in front of me but I would double check to see if a polarized cap is acceptable.
The plans use this capacitor symbol on the schematic which is polarized. the plans don't specifically say polarized or not but they do mention electrolytic which I believe are normally polarized. At least the ones I bought are.
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4 OT12s, 2 Melded Array, 2 Flat Array

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#43 Post by jdmrivera » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:48 pm

After letting the large driver play all night on the bench with a 30hz tone at about 11 volts, I noticed a slight buzz that seemed to be coming from somewhere near the outside edge of the cone. Couldn't really identify exactly where.
Well it turns out I was being dense - the woofer was face up on my bench and air was moving out from underneath the magnet. When I pick it up - no more buzz!
Built:
Omni Tallboy 15 w/3015LF (My BBQ music Machine!)
2 Lab 12 T39s 24" Wide
4 OT12s, 2 Melded Array, 2 Flat Array

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#44 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:48 am

Crossover caps are never polarized.

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Re: Joe's Omni 15 Tallboy

#45 Post by jdmrivera » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:55 am

Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:Crossover caps are never polarized.
I'm disappointed with parts express. All the caps I bougt from them look like this:
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Notice the arrow pointing to the negative lead. Guess I should have bought parts from Leland.
Built:
Omni Tallboy 15 w/3015LF (My BBQ music Machine!)
2 Lab 12 T39s 24" Wide
4 OT12s, 2 Melded Array, 2 Flat Array

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