2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

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2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#1 Post by Lustyik » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:19 am

Hi All,

What do you recommend for OT 12?

Is it worth to build OT12 with 3012 HO! Wil I get better sound quality or noticably higher output compared to Deltalite II 2512?

Second question is the CD.

What is the difference in sound or volume, if I use NSD2005 instead of ASD1001?
"If a lower crossover is desired...", NSD is recomended. What is the advantage of the lower crossowe frequency?


Any reply, advice are greatly appriciated!

Rgs,

J
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#2 Post by Bruce Weldy » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:35 am

Lustyik wrote:Hi All,

What is the advantage of the lower crossowe frequency?

It sounds much better.

read this....

http://billfitzmaurice.info/forum/viewt ... =7&t=24295

6 - T39 4-25" 2-22" 3012LF
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#3 Post by Lustyik » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:31 am

Thanks Bruce!
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#4 Post by DJPhatman » Mon May 01, 2017 5:38 pm

Lustyik wrote:What do you recommend for OT 12?

Is it worth to build OT12 with 3012 HO! Wil I get better sound quality or noticably higher output compared to Deltalite II 2512?
How many are you planning to build? How loud do you require?

IIRC, Bill has stated that, other than the slightly higher Pe (2512 = 250WRMS, 3012HO = 400WRMS), the 3012HO has about a 2-3dB gain in the mids. Let us look at the SPL chart of each, shall we?



In the USA, the price difference is huge, US$124.99 for the 2512, US$189.99 for the 3012HO. :shock: :broke: I'm inclined to say "No". Instead, I would build 4 with the 2512. Use 4 not for the volume, but for how much better they sound.
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#5 Post by Lustyik » Tue May 02, 2017 4:32 am

Thanks DJPhatman!

Based on the information that I got from you and from Bruce, first I will build to OT12 (2512+NSD) and one T39 (3012LF).

If 2xOT12 and 1xT39 are not enough, I will build another T39.

If I have budget (and we will have enough gigs), I will take into consideration to build more OT12' to increase the sound quality.

IYO is it make sence?

If I built my first pair of OT's with NSD CD, can I build my second pair with Melded array or ASD?


I really want to hear the difference between two and four cabs. :)
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#6 Post by DJPhatman » Thu May 04, 2017 12:23 pm

Lustyik wrote:Thanks DJPhatman!

Based on the information that I got from you and from Bruce, first I will build to OT12 (2512+NSD) and one T39 (3012LF).

If 2xOT12 and 1xT39 are not enough, I will build another T39.

If I have budget (and we will have enough gigs), I will take into consideration to build more OT12' to increase the sound quality.

IYO is it make sence?

If I built my first pair of OT's with NSD CD, can I build my second pair with Melded array or ASD?


I really want to hear the difference between two and four cabs. :)
I would HIGHLY recommend you start with 2 of the T39. Horn-loaded subs really need to be run in herds (multiples). Build the T39 first, then the OmniTop 12s. As you get bigger, or outside gigs, add to both piles.

You can build with either melded arrays or ASD or NSD. The choice is yours. In the order that I just listed them, they go from widest to narrowest horizontal dispersion. You can mix and match OT12 to OT12, just don't mix them with other tops.
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#7 Post by Bruce Weldy » Thu May 04, 2017 4:32 pm

DJPhatman wrote: You can build with either melded arrays or ASD or NSD. In the order that I just listed them, they go from widest to narrowest horizontal dispersion.
For clarification, the ASD and NSD have the same dispersion as the horn is the same.

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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#8 Post by Monomer » Fri May 26, 2017 3:50 am

After hearing both side by side, I would spend the money for the HO.


My last set had them, my next set will too. A lot cleaner by the XO.
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#9 Post by dswpro » Fri May 26, 2017 10:27 am

I have 4 T39s and 4 Otop 12s.

Most indoor gigs I only use one pair of Otops and all four T39s. The Otops are incredibly loud, even in that ratio I have to dial the tops back quite a bit as they overpower the subs which are also very efficient. In one pair of Otops I have melded arrays in the other, compression drivers. Honestly I prefer the compression driver sound to the melded arrays, but the arrays have wider horizontal dispersion. I usually only stack them up on outdoor gigs, where you can hear clearly from very far away.

If you are making one T39, just go ahead and make two. They are really easy compared to the tops.

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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#10 Post by Bruce Weldy » Fri May 26, 2017 5:12 pm

dswpro wrote:In one pair of Otops I have melded arrays in the other, compression drivers. Honestly I prefer the compression driver sound to the melded arrays, but the arrays have wider horizontal dispersion. I usually only stack them up on outdoor gigs, where you can hear clearly from very far away.
Regardless of the size of gig, I always stack 'em. They really sound better when two of 'em couple. And yeah, I dial 'em back some too.

In one small place we played a few times - instead of splitting two OTops, I just did a mono stack in the corner with both of 'em. Still only used two, but they sounded better coupled.

6 - T39 4-25" 2-22" 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512 Melded/NSD2005
1 - T24
2 - XF210


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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#11 Post by Lustyik » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:48 am

Bruce Weldy wrote:
dswpro wrote:In one pair of Otops I have melded arrays in the other, compression drivers. Honestly I prefer the compression driver sound to the melded arrays, but the arrays have wider horizontal dispersion. I usually only stack them up on outdoor gigs, where you can hear clearly from very far away.
Regardless of the size of gig, I always stack 'em. They really sound better when two of 'em couple. And yeah, I dial 'em back some too.

In one small place we played a few times - instead of splitting two OTops, I just did a mono stack in the corner with both of 'em. Still only used two, but they sounded better coupled.

Last weekend I had some time to test my OT12's. The quality of the sound was wery good, but When I stacked them it became amazing.
Is this "stacking" works in case of Dr's and Jack as well?

I must build an other pair of OT! ...but before that, I have to finish my Titans.


I guess I must build the secound pair.
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#12 Post by Tom Smit » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:58 pm

Lustyik wrote:
Last weekend I had some time to test my OT12's. The quality of the sound was wery good, but When I stacked them it became amazing.
Is this "stacking" works in case of Dr's and Jack as well?
Yes, it is.
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Re: 2512 or 3012 and ASD 1001 or NSD 2005

#13 Post by NukePooch » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:29 pm

Tom Smit wrote:
Lustyik wrote:
Last weekend I had some time to test my OT12's. The quality of the sound was wery good, but When I stacked them it became amazing.
Is this "stacking" works in case of Dr's and Jack as well?
Yes, it is.

Agreed. I stack my Jack 112L's whenever I can. Sounds better, looks better... I bought a pair of regular Jack 12's, but haven't stacked them 3-high yet with the Jacks...
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