pa sound system for uptempo hardcore frenchcore tekno and dubstep

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pa sound system for uptempo hardcore frenchcore tekno and dubstep

#1 Post by holzboss » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pm

I want to build sound system fro heavy bass music. Also ther bass should be as deep as possible.
I am thinking just for beginning to start with two tubas 60 and 4 dr 200 divided in 2 mid and 2 high,
Or what do you recommend as the top for good low and mid response ?
i want to play mostly uptempo. But also hardcore frenchcore terror and tekno and if possible dubstep and DnD.
How should i set up the amplifiers someone told me to buy 3 amps and an active crossover and someone told to just buy one amplifier.
I just want a small sound system. Upgradeable in the future. in future i will add some tuba 60.

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#2 Post by Bruce Weldy » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:22 pm

holzboss wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pm
I am thinking just for beginning to start with two tubas 60 and 4 dr 200 divided in 2 mid and 2 high,
Not sure what you mean by dividing the 4 DR200 in 2 mic and 2 high. Bottom line is that they should all be built the same way and will be EQed and crossed over in the same place.

With 4 Tops you should probably have at least 4 T60s.....especially if you ever want to take it outside.
How should i set up the amplifiers someone told me to buy 3 amps and an active crossover and someone told to just buy one amplifier.
You will definitely need a speaker processor like a dbx Driverack to provide crossover, EQ, and most importantly for the T60s - limiting.

You will need one amp for the DRs and one for the T60s if you only build 2. If you build more, you'll either need another amp or a more powerful amp.

There are some amplifiers that have 4 channels that could run all the speakers....they get pretty expensive.

Tell us more about what you have already and what your level of expertise is in Pro Sound...

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#3 Post by Grant Bunter » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:32 pm

Hello!
Bruce has already covered what needs to be asked initially.
Seems you want a bit of volume capability as well, so the DR250 might be a better choice than the DR200...
Built:
DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" BP102 , 2 x 28" 3012lf.
WH8: x 3 with melded array.
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#4 Post by holzboss » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:11 pm

thank you so i connect it this way speakers to the amplifiers and the amplifiers to the speaekr processor ? or the speakers to the speaker processor and amplifiers to the speaker processor? and is it ok to build just two types of speakers. The sub and the DRs. or will it be better to divide the frequencies to mids and highs or is the DR ok to play mids and highs together?

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#5 Post by Grant Bunter » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:22 pm

Mixer to processor
Processor in to processor out, 1 channel to amplifier for subs
1 or 2 channels to amplifier for tops/mains.

Yes, DR's will do both mids and highs, and they will be fine. No need to have mids boxes, and highs boxes...
Built:
DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" BP102 , 2 x 28" 3012lf.
WH8: x 3 with melded array.
Bunter's Audio and Lighting "like"s would be most appreciated...

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#6 Post by Bruce Weldy » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:31 pm

holzboss wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:11 pm
thank you so i connect it this way speakers to the amplifiers and the amplifiers to the speaekr processor ? or the speakers to the speaker processor and amplifiers to the speaker processor? and is it ok to build just two types of speakers. The sub and the DRs. or will it be better to divide the frequencies to mids and highs or is the DR ok to play mids and highs together?
Obviously, you are new to this...and that's fine. First lesson is signal flow - so that people can help you and understand what you are doing, you should always follow the signal flow when discussing what device goes where.

To reiterate what Grant said:

The sound goes from the source (microphone, CD player, etc.) to the mixer input. Then from the mixer output to the speaker processor input where crossover, EQ, limiting takes place. Then from the HIGH output of the processor you go to the input of a power amp, then to the speakers. From the LOW output of the processor you go to the input of your sub power amp, then to the subs.

Don't ever start with the speakers and try to work your way back....speakers are always last in line.

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4 - OT12 2512 Melded/NSD2005
1 - T24
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#7 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:04 pm

Grant Bunter wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:32 pm
the DR250 might be a better choice than the DR200...
If the OP isn't an experienced woodworker the OmniTop 12 might be better still.

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#8 Post by SethRocksYou » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:19 pm

holzboss wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pm
I want to build sound system fro heavy bass music...
Hey man, welcome, I'm Seth. What's your name, where ya from?

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#9 Post by Grant Bunter » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:08 pm

Bruce Weldy wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:31 pm
Obviously, you are new to this...and that's fine. First lesson is signal flow - so that people can help you and understand what you are doing, you should always follow the signal flow when discussing what device goes where.

To reiterate what Grant said:

The sound goes from the source (microphone, CD player, etc.) to the mixer input. Then from the mixer output to the speaker processor input where crossover, EQ, limiting takes place. Then from the HIGH output of the processor you go to the input of a power amp, then to the speakers. From the LOW output of the processor you go to the input of your sub power amp, then to the subs.

Don't ever start with the speakers and try to work your way back....speakers are always last in line.
Cheers Bruce,
Note to self, slow down, take the time to explain fully.
Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:04 pm
Grant Bunter wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:32 pm
the DR250 might be a better choice than the DR200...
If the OP isn't an experienced woodworker the OmniTop 12 might be better still.
True...
Built:
DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" BP102 , 2 x 28" 3012lf.
WH8: x 3 with melded array.
Bunter's Audio and Lighting "like"s would be most appreciated...

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#10 Post by holzboss » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:31 am

thank you i will consider the omni top 12. Does it have passive crossover ?

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#11 Post by Bruce Weldy » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:49 am

holzboss wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:31 am
thank you i will consider the omni top 12. Does it have passive crossover ?
Yes, it does. It's a great sounding box.

6 - T39 4-25" 2-22" 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512 Melded/NSD2005
1 - T24
2 - XF210


"A system with a few knobs set up by someone who knows what they are doing is always better than one with a lot of knobs set up by someone who doesn't."

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#12 Post by himhimself » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:38 am

Bruce Weldy wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:49 am
holzboss wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:31 am
thank you i will consider the omni top 12. Does it have passive crossover ?
Yes, it does. It's a great sounding box.
+1
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