Speaker choice in a XF 210

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Speaker choice in a XF 210

#1 Post by Bbr6704 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:10 am

Hello there, been a while...

I'm currently building a XF 210 guitar cab.

As I made a XF 212 three years ago, loaded with Celestion creamback that I like (but cab is too big and heavy for my taste and needs nowadays, so I'm downsizing...), I was thinking to go with celestion G10 Greenbacks : https://celestion.com/product/31/g10_greenback/

I'll play with a Quilter head (wonderfull solid state amps), and for their cabs, they use the Celextion Tf 1018, that every user seems to love.

Here are the specs and frequency response curve : https://celestion.com/product/108/tf1018/

Can someone tell me the main differrences between these 2 speakers, as I'm not used to these curves etc. (reading and understanding...)

I'd mainly like to know how could the Tf1018 sound compared to the greenback, known to rock (woody tone, tight bass, good trebble, not ear blleding...)

Thanks in advance! ;)

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#2 Post by Bruce Weldy » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:28 am

The first one is available in 8 or 16ohm......the second one is 8ohm only. Your best bet is something in 16 ohm so that you can have them paralleled for an 8 ohm load. Then the cab is usable with any amp out there. Two 8ohm speakers will force you into either a 4 ohm load or 16. Not where you want to be.

As far as which sounds better......the curve doesn't look all that different. You won't really know until you hear 'em.

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#3 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:11 am

Without full T/S specs for the Greenback one can't make a comparison.

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#4 Post by Bbr6704 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:21 am

Hi there,
I also asked the question on a Quilter dedicated page, and the main answer is that the TF1018 is originally designed to be used in PA systems. It's flat, neutral and strong, where the Greenback is a rock guitar speaker... The second distorts earlier, and has this kind of "british DNA" in it...

So I'll opt for the greenback, I love this kind of tone, and I guess I'll be happy with it!

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#5 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:54 am

Bbr6704 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:21 am
the TF1018 is originally designed to be used in PA systems.
I wouldn't use it for PA. Xmax is only 2mm, so it wouldn't go very loud before distorting. That xmax might be more than the Greenback, 1mm xmax isn't unusual with guitar drivers, but for PA 3mm is what I'd call the bare minimum.

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#6 Post by magtree » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:35 am

I'm preparing to build an XF210 this winter. Researching 10" speakers at the moment. I intend to wire up 2x10's at 16 ohm piece in parallel so that the cabinet presenting 8 ohms can be used with any other amp. That said, my primary amp for the moment and the reason this cabinet intrigued me, is a smallish Laney Cub 12R. I'm not a professional. Easy to transport, decent sound once i replaced the stock 1x12 speaker. I would use the XF210 as the external cabinet as needed for more volume. The combo has a Brit sound, but i'm not at all hung up on whether the cab is Brit or American, per se. The internal speaker shuts off when the cab is connected anyway, however, i may change that.

So, about speaker choice...

I'm certainly open to suggested brands, looked at WGS, Eminence ... lots of good choices, a bit bewildering to the less initiated, but I'm not worried about finding the right brand.

My real question is around mixing up the speaker pair vs keeping them the same, ie, one ribbed and one smooth, etc, given this particular cabinet design. I can see the benefit of mixing 2 different speakers in a standard cabinet, but not educated enough to know if it matters here.

Is there any guidance around mixing 2 different speakers as such in the XF210 or keep them of the same type?

Any particular brand / model suggestions in the configuration of choice would be welcome as well.

Thanks.

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#7 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:43 am

Mixing two different speakers is voodoo engineering. Not recommended.

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#8 Post by magtree » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:39 am

well, that settles that. Thanks.

Any recommendations on a pair of 10" drivers for rock, country, blues?

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#9 Post by Bruce Weldy » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:17 am

magtree wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:39 am
well, that settles that. Thanks.

Any recommendations on a pair of 10" drivers for rock, country, blues?
The selection in 10s is pretty limited in the 16 ohm versions. Eminence just makes the Legend 10516. That's what I have in my XF210.

I don't use it that often, but when I did, it was with a Mesa Boogie Mark V:25. Played rock and country through it. Sounded fine.

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#10 Post by LelandCrooks » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:42 am

I sell a lot of the RF10C's to a custom cab builder. It's his go to for about any style.
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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#11 Post by RunTheOtherWay » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:18 pm

I've tested my in-progress XF210 with a pair of 16-ohm Jensen MOD10-35s, which seem nice and stout so far. I'll be posting video once I've completed construction.

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Re: Speaker choice in a XF 210

#12 Post by greyblooz » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:22 pm

Chiming in on this, I have tried just about every Eminence model in the XF210 as well as some Webers, Celestions and Jensens. My amp is a VHT Special 12/20RT with 6L6GCs.

The best one for was the Legend 105-8 for balanced frequency response. The 16Ω version sounded slightly muddy by comparison, though YMMV.

The Webers 10F-150T were also very balanced but had a harsh nasal quality with high gain, and made the cab a lot heavier, too.

Other than a bit of smokiness, the ceramic Legends lacked the kind of character that inspires me to play. By comparison the Patriots and Red Coats I tried all had something unique but never seemed to sound right in pairs, at least not in this cabinet. (My favorites were the Copperhead and Ramrod. Both sounded amazing in a cheap closed back cabinet.)

The alnico Legend 1028K were some of the sweetest speakers I tried, but the trouble with these was flatulent response in the low end when pushed.

More recently I tried a pair of Jensen C10R which probably one of the best clean tones I've heard but also suffers from the same flaws as the Webers and alnico 1028K.

The C10Q was good clean and dirt but also a flabby bottom. At the time I paired with with an Eminence GA10 which sounded perfectly balanced initially, but soon fatigued my ears.

Now I have a Crate 2x12" cabinet (that used to be a combo) and decided to get rid of my XF210 but then I just got a good deal on a used Jensen MOD 10-35 (8Ω).

So far I'm not in love with the MOD 10-35 but I supposed it could mellow out with regular use. Please give us (or at least me) an update on your experience using a pair!

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