Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#136 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:26 pm

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pink noise setting.

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#137 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:41 pm

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These were the xover settings at test.
Sub was off
Right channel was off
EQ was off
Only thing on was xover and limiter.

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#138 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm

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This is what running the wizard EQ auto set
With all speakers going.

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#139 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:55 pm

Seth wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:11 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:35 am
The crossover is very adjustable and has many slopes to select . I’ve been just going by my ears for selection.
I’ve experimented with the crossover and the equalizer, there is a lot there to take in.
I'd recommend penciling out a few different crossover schemes and trying/testing them all while taking written notes about changes and your impression of those changes.

My "go to" as a starting point has always been 125Hz on 24db LR filters. But, depending on the capabilities of the cabs, it could end up sounding better at 80, or 100... or 135.

Have you played with the auto EQ at all yet? Try it flat and listen to music. Try to set this as your target curve and see what you think.
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My biggest enjoyment is the fact that I can have deep clean bass at such low power.
Isn't that great? You could probably only use half that amp (one channel) and never miss a thing.


I want the same for the tops, which I’m looking hard at DR280.
My 1.9 cu.ft. Vented boxes with peavey 1508-8 HE BWX speaker and P.Audio BMD750 horns sound great to me but the DR280 may get the go ahead.
Honestly, if you like the cabs you have, no reason to replace them. Unless you just want a project, which I can totally get behind. As the guys have mentioned, the 280's are overkill for your needs. But, I have a slightly different opinion about going for it/them. If you want 12's in a challenging and rewarding build... go for it. But really, the DR200's would likely still be capable of way more than you're likely to utilize. Especially given one or two subs.



RYNO20 wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:35 am
Peavey VSX 26e anyone have an opinion on its comparison to the DBX ?
I looked into the Peavey unit a little. For the price tag, it seems to be very simple and lacking features. In comparison to the dbx PA2, it looks to only have a PC interface (I know you're an iPad user). The limiter is part of it's compressor function and has a minimum attack of 1ms which is pretty slow for limiter use. There doesn't seem to be an Auto EQ function in the Peavey, or any feedback suppression feature either. (as well as no GEQ option, as Grant noted)

As far as good things, the PC user interface is well laid out and simple to understand. A PC can be connected to the unit via USB or Ethernet (same as dbx). Personally, I like the ethernet option. It can be connected to a network and remotely accessed. Or you can even convert it to wireless with a LAN bridge dongle. Nearly all my gear is networkable and accessible to make adjustments on the fly from FOH, even if it's in a rack backstage. Anyway... that's about it. Seems expensive for what it is.
Got better pics up for you to see.

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#140 Post by Bruce Weldy » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pm

RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm
D102E189-9CEC-48C4-9ABE-CB211A2516A7.jpeg
This is what running the wizard EQ auto set
With all speakers going.
What curve did you chose? Flat, Band, Vocal? They may not call it that - some of the DRs use a name and others just show the curve. What were you trying to achieve?

6 - T39 4-25" 2-22" 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512 Melded/NSD2005
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"A system with a few knobs set up by someone who knows what they are doing is always better than one with a lot of knobs set up by someone who doesn't."

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#141 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm

Bruce Weldy wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm
D102E189-9CEC-48C4-9ABE-CB211A2516A7.jpeg
This is what running the wizard EQ auto set
With all speakers going.
What curve did you chose? Flat, Band, Vocal? They may not call it that - some of the DRs use a name and others just show the curve. What were you trying to achieve?
Venue

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#142 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm

RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm
Bruce Weldy wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm
D102E189-9CEC-48C4-9ABE-CB211A2516A7.jpeg
This is what running the wizard EQ auto set
With all speakers going.
What curve did you chose? Flat, Band, Vocal? They may not call it that - some of the DRs use a name and others just show the curve. What were you trying to achieve?
Venue
Learning the ropes and lingo

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#143 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:59 pm

RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm
Bruce Weldy wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pm


What curve did you chose? Flat, Band, Vocal? They may not call it that - some of the DRs use a name and others just show the curve. What were you trying to achieve?
Venue
Learning the ropes and lingo
Getting a base feeling so to put it lol

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#144 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 pm

RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:59 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm


Venue
Learning the ropes and lingo
Getting a base feeling so to put it lol
Grant suggested I go outside to get a base for how my uppers are performing

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#145 Post by Bruce Weldy » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:44 pm

RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm
Bruce Weldy wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm
D102E189-9CEC-48C4-9ABE-CB211A2516A7.jpeg
This is what running the wizard EQ auto set
With all speakers going.
What curve did you chose? Flat, Band, Vocal? They may not call it that - some of the DRs use a name and others just show the curve. What were you trying to achieve?
Venue
I'm talking about the target curve that you are trying to achieve. Do you want the system dead flat? Or with a low end bump, a pull back in the 200 region, and a gradual decrease in the high end.....that's the "band" curve. I haven't used the Venue, but it should let you choose what kind of EQ curve you are wanting to achieve.

6 - T39 4-25" 2-22" 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512 Melded/NSD2005
1 - T24
2 - XF210


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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#146 Post by RYNO20 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:04 pm

Bruce Weldy wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:44 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pm
Bruce Weldy wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pm


What curve did you chose? Flat, Band, Vocal? They may not call it that - some of the DRs use a name and others just show the curve. What were you trying to achieve?
Venue
I'm talking about the target curve that you are trying to achieve. Do you want the system dead flat? Or with a low end bump, a pull back in the 200 region, and a gradual decrease in the high end.....that's the "band" curve. I haven't used the Venue, but it should let you choose what kind of EQ curve you are wanting to achieve.
I have no target curve because I have no idea what it needs to be .
Yes it will even let you use a finger and draw a curve , but i tried the flat and didn’t like it , tried all of them on same song cd and one called venue sounded best.
That’s why I wanted to build DR 280’s or 250’s with horns for less distorted sound, which I accidentally accomplished by taking the cabs I have off the 1200 watt per channel amp to the 400 watt amp made a real difference.
Also played with the subsonic synthesis thing and wow it really makes that T-48 blast out the bass , enough that I can see limiter being tagged with the red light on DBX and yet the volume bar graph is nowhere near 50% .

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#147 Post by Grant Bunter » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:02 pm

The idea is for Ryno to get a somewhat useable idea of his tops response.

Ryno,
Don't use the wizard for this.
Connect up your RTA mike, and press the RTA button. The explanation of what does what is in your user manual, other than the 6 graph types.
Moving the jog wheel changes the menu I think.

If you can't get something half decent with pink noise, go to the signal generator section and run a sine wave, setting the frequency each time to one that corresponds with the bands on the 31 band EQ, eg 100Hz, 125Hz and so on. Eventually you'll gte enough figures to plot response that way.

It won't work in your shed BTW, because using RTA in the shed is measuring the shed as well as the cab...
Built:
DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" BP102 , 2 x 28" 3012lf.
WH8: x 3 with melded array.
Bunter's Audio and Lighting "like"s would be most appreciated...

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#148 Post by Seth » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:07 pm

RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm
D102E189-9CEC-48C4-9ABE-CB211A2516A7.jpeg
This is what running the wizard EQ auto set
With all speakers going.
Do you know... Is the green trace the measured response or is it the correction needed to meet the target curve (yellow)?
Build in process - 2 WH6, one Alpha 6a loaded, one PRV Audio 6MB250-NDY loaded

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One T39, 16", 3012LF loaded
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TruckTuba, 8½" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421

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Re: Ryno — new from Illinois on the Mississippi

#149 Post by RYNO20 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:18 pm

Seth wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:07 pm
RYNO20 wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm
D102E189-9CEC-48C4-9ABE-CB211A2516A7.jpeg
This is what running the wizard EQ auto set
With all speakers going.
Do you know... Is the green trace the measured response or is it the correction needed to meet the target curve (yellow)?
Know is the key word lol hell no.
But it seems that’s what it means. Anybody out here got a DBX PA2? And can tell us?

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#150 Post by Seth » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:30 pm

Grant Bunter wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:02 pm
The idea is for Ryno to get a somewhat useable idea of his tops response.

Ryno,
Don't use the wizard for this.
Connect up your RTA mike, and press the RTA button. The explanation of what does what is in your user manual, other than the 6 graph types.
Moving the jog wheel changes the menu I think.

If you can't get something half decent with pink noise, go to the signal generator section and run a sine wave, setting the frequency each time to one that corresponds with the bands on the 31 band EQ, eg 100Hz, 125Hz and so on. Eventually you'll gte enough figures to plot response that way.

It won't work in your shed BTW, because using RTA in the shed is measuring the shed as well as the cab...
I'm curious about the tops response too. However, since it's what he already has, I'm not too sure it would be of much practical use, other than informational purposes. I suppose it would be good to put a base tune on the system, that could be adjusted for the venue (if it ever changes). Otherwise, it seems as though just measuring in room response and setting the EQ based on that would be sufficient given his intended use. Just thinking out loud. I'm certainly not any sort of skilled EQ/crossover engineer. Are you seeing further value in that information, that I'm overlooking? (could totally be the case)
Build in process - 2 WH6, one Alpha 6a loaded, one PRV Audio 6MB250-NDY loaded

Two 2x6 shorty SLA Pro's
One T39, 16", 3012LF loaded
Tall AutoTuba, 20" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421
TruckTuba, 8½" wide, 2x 8" MCM 55-2421

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