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T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#1 Post by Charles Jenkinson » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:43 am

Can anyone comment please on the sensibility of using a T24 (bp102 & 16" wide) and a Wedghorn 8 for a bass guitar rig? They're the same width and it should give smooth and ample bottom end, with directionality of the W8 angled up on top. I currently use a J12L for bass (5 string) and I love it, and whilst the amping setup will need a bit more effort, I can't see it being a step backwards, ...could it be...?

There's a little bit more to this, in that it may be useful to have a small sub for using with W8's on speaker stands, and the shape proportions of the T24 are appealing, (over a 13" wide T39), to my eye, though they have about the same total cubic inch volume.
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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#2 Post by Grant Bunter » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:34 am

G'day Charles :)
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The only thing I can see out of kilter in this thinking is the Wedgehorns have a pronounced bump in their response for vocal intelligibility, because they are monitors.
That means a lot of EQ to sort that, and also means it's not really suited to anything else other than monitors at any real volume.

Someone from somewhere near by you in the world has built a J10 with a BP102 for bass. Yep, it's not a listed driver.

There is an overall issue with using a sub on stage. Especially if it is a different sub to FOH subs. Subs are ok for bass (and arguably drum fill) on a stadium size stage, but perhaps not a pub gig. The rest of the band will hate what a sub on stage does to on stage sound...
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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#3 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:41 am

I'd say it might be worth a try if you have a T24 and W8 on hand, along with the necessary amplification and EQ. I wouldn't build a T24 and W8 and buy a bi-amp rig on speculation that you might like it.

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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#4 Post by Charles Jenkinson » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:40 am

Ok. Thanks Grant, Bill.

On LTNS; yea, I don't get out to play much, and gear usage and builds are dictated by that.

Overall, I was just looking for a bit more flexibility and trying to figure out which way to go with what I have. The context is a mate wants to try out my speakers on one of his gigs, but do a side by side with his plastic boxes first (Alto TX210's) - the thing is that the venue is small so whilst the J12L's are probably ok on sticks, they are still quite big, compared to the PA boxes others use in that venue - we're squashed into a corner - one speaker faces out one way and the other is about 6 feet away (across 2 guitarists) and pointing at 90 degrees to the first (so cross firing) aiming down the bar. I've played there a few times now on and off with him, so I figure it's worth a try out. I just thought the W8's may have a smaller volume space envelope aesthetically on stands, but I can see that the EQ for use as a small PA may be an issue. So we have that to try first as per the EQ thread.

As for the T24 in a bass guitar rig, there are no other subs at the church where I use the J12L at the moment, so I can't see it clashing in that way. If the W8's will EQ ok for a small PA then I could see a small sub getting built - if not, then it won't happen. I could do the experiment of a bass guitar rig with a T30 and W8 just as well and I have one of those.

Maybe the ideal for the pub gig is probably some SLA pro's and a sub so a bass guitar rig isn't required, or J10's for minimal foot print, but I'm not into that level of new build commitment. It'll probably end up being J12L's used.

Forgot to say, my mate has the soundcraft ui12 which has RTA capability apparently, so he can possibly EQ his Alto's better, if they can be 'improved' with EQ.
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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#5 Post by Chris_Allen » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:25 pm

Hi Charles,

I have both a BP102 loaded T39 and a W8 if you want to test it out.

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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#6 Post by Charles Jenkinson » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:36 pm

Thanks for the offer Chris. I've got 2x W8's I've not really used at all, and the T30's so I can kind of simulate the rig, which is I guess quite heavily EQ'd to taste. I'll see where I get to with a fairly PA-type-ish EQ on the W8's initially, and take it from there. My mate is going to bring his acoustic guitar as a source that he's heard many times through different systems. Then will see how it transfers to bass guitar with the sub.
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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#7 Post by Bruce Weldy » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:17 pm

You can always install a passive crossover in the T24, then you won't need a crossover or more power amps. I have one in my T24 so I can use it along with a single top on one amp channel. I use it for listening in my shop and playing small duo gigs.. It's also an amazing drum monitor.

I'm guessing that Leland still sells that passive crossover. It was in the plans years ago, but is out now.

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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#8 Post by Charles Jenkinson » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:39 am

Like the passive crossover concept. I've just read the current T24 plans - the low and hi pass filters are still in there, centred on 150Hz.
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Re: T24 & W8 bass guitar rig

#9 Post by Bruce Weldy » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:42 am

Charles Jenkinson wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:39 am
Like the passive crossover concept. I've just read the current T24 plans - the low and hi pass filters are still in there, centred on 150Hz.
I didn't think to actually look at the T24 plans......it was in the T39 plans years ago, then was removed.

6 - T39 4-25" 2-22" 3012LF
4 - OT12 2512 Melded/NSD2005
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