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Best Tuba for music in large room

#1 Post by alexg » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:53 am

Hi,

I am interested building a Tuba. Not sure which would be the right one for my needs.

Sub will go in a large great room. Will be used primarily for music and a little bit of HT. The room is approx 36' x 36' with 10' high ceiling. House is built on a concrete slab so floors are engineered wood glued to concrete.

As far as WAF, the Table Tuba looks like the most promising. Multiple Tuba 18s strategically positioned around the room might fly with the boss as well but it sounds like they need to be close together.

Also sounds like Bill provides several driver options for each build. Did I read somewhere that there is a 10" option? Is that even necessary for the designs I mention above?

I read the "Got Questions go here First," post but didn't quite find what I was looking for. I apologize if the answer is there and I missed it.

Thanks in advance.
Alex

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Re: Best Tuba for music in large room

#2 Post by Tom Smit » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:03 am

Welcome to the forum!

A pair of TableTubas would work wonders in your room for HT, and yet it will be great for music, as well. . As you may know, there are two different styles to choose from, as well as being able to change the width of both of them. Wider is better.
The 10" option is for the TT only, not the T18.
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#3 Post by Grant Bunter » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:42 pm

Tom has it covered, so just a Welcome to the forum from me :)
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#4 Post by jimbo7 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:02 pm

sub....check
mains.....?
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#5 Post by alexg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:40 am

Tom,
Thank you for the quick response. I am almost certain that 2, Table Tubas wont fly. How would a single table tuba with a 10" driver perform (reg or long is tbd)? What about Tuba 24 or Tuba 30? Are they options?

Grant,
Thanks for the note. Hello from San Luis Obispo,CA.

Jimbo7,
Mains are TBD. I am working feverishly to figure this out. We are months away from moving into our new primary residence. Once complete, system will be set up in the great room that I described above. For the last 3 years I have been listening to a pair of Linkwitz LXMinis (with add on subs). They are a DIY, multi channel, open baffle, active crossover offering with some of the clearest sound that I have ever heard. The mid range and imaging are incredible. However there is something missing. They are just too damn soft and polite. I could upgrade to their big brother the LX521s but I am also running into a lot of opposition from my wife around room placement. The LX521s need to be placed a min of 3' from the rear wall and she is not having it. Any recommendations?

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Re: Best Tuba for music in large room

#6 Post by Grant Bunter » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:23 am

alexg wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:40 am
I am almost certain that 2, Table Tubas wont fly. How would a single table tuba with a 10" driver perform (reg or long is tbd)? What about Tuba 24 or Tuba 30? Are they options?
Stick with a HT design (that eliminates th eT24 and the T30).

Multiples is rarely about sheer volume in the HT environment.
It's more about taming room nodes/modes to get more even response in the room.
It is a fact of life that the best aesthetic position for any speaker, but especially subs, is usually the worst position for it's actual purpose.
Especially when WAF is factored in.

Build one. Get your wife wandering around the room with you while you measure response, "see darlin', we have this flat spot here, oh, and here. Here too. If I move this one to there, and add another one there, it will be amazing for us then"...
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DR 250: x 2 (melded array) with March 2012 plans. 2 more under way with CD horn
T39's: 4 x 20" BP102 , 2 x 28" 3012lf.
WH8: x 3 with melded array.
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Re: Best Tuba for music in large room

#7 Post by alexg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:48 am

OK Got it. I see that the Tuba HT can be built with a minimum width of 15" (using a 12" driver). Can it be treated like a Table Tuba?

How would a pair of T18s placed independent of each other work (pairing them up, side by side per Bill's thread won't fly with my wife)?

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#8 Post by Bill Fitzmaurice » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:22 am

Clustering subs is done with pro-sound, not home theater, as Grant already explained.

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Re: Best Tuba for music in large room

#9 Post by alexg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:17 am

Ok. I see. I missed that. Thanks Grant.

Sounds like a pair of Table Tubas would be ideal but still have the following questions.

1) How would a pair of T18s perform, assuming they are optimally placed?

2) Can the THT be treated like the Table Tuba..... turned over on its side and disguised as a piece of furniture?

Thanks,
Alex

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#10 Post by Bruce Weldy » Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:14 pm

alexg wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:17 am

1) How would a pair of T18s perform, assuming they are optimally placed?

Personally, I'd be fine with 'em. But, they aren't going really low. They roll off starting at 50hz pretty hard.

You have to do some listening and decide if you really need a bunch of 30-40hz content. You certainly don't for music. For HT - you might want it.

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Re: Best Tuba for music in large room

#11 Post by 67baja » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:26 pm

Nobody has mentioned a 36x36 room is a big space. Depending on what kind of spl you are intending, it will probably take "some" (not "a") subs to fill it. I love my table tuba (with a 10" driver) and it works great in my living room that is like 1/4 the size of your room. My 2 THT's were awesome and overkill for my old theater that was 15x30, but that is still less than half your area. If you are just listening to music in a corner of that 1296 sq. ft. room, a single table tuba may do it, but if you are trying to fill that whole room with sound, it will take some big subs. Personally if it were me and I planned on doing a home theater in that room I would not consider any sub other than table tuba or tht (unless it was a T60!).
2 THTs, 2 TLAH, SLA curved, 1 8-AT, 1 AT JBL 1002D, 4 Otop12s, Jack 12, TT with Eminence 10", 2 SLAs, 1 T30 slim, 2 T30s (2-10" each), SLA Pros, TrT.

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#12 Post by Tom Smit » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:25 pm

OH! 67baja reminded us of your large room! +1 to his comments.

Yes, the THT can be laid down. However, corner-, or wall-loading will give you some free db's. The THTLP can be laid down, standing on end, or raised off the floor to put the mouth facing the floor and standing on end.
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Re: Best Tuba for music in large room

#13 Post by hotbutta » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:03 am

Two T60's. Sleep on the couch for a week.

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Re: Best Tuba for music in large room

#14 Post by alexg » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:34 pm

Thanks for the input everyone. I appreciate.

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