Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
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Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
How does one accomplish a nominal impedance calculation, when multiple cabs are in use?
Why I ask: I have 6 TTLS in my truck, loaded with 4 Ohm drivers.
The horn "adds" about 2 Ohms of impedance... but is that added before the electrical impedance is calculated, or after?
Are my 6 cabs presenting a nominal 2.7 Ohm load? (Full parallel at 4 Ohms each, with 2 Ohms added on top)
Or are they presenting a 1 Ohm load (6 Ohms each, full parallel)?
It will really help me out on my next amplifier purchase, to know what to look for.
Thanks!
Why I ask: I have 6 TTLS in my truck, loaded with 4 Ohm drivers.
The horn "adds" about 2 Ohms of impedance... but is that added before the electrical impedance is calculated, or after?
Are my 6 cabs presenting a nominal 2.7 Ohm load? (Full parallel at 4 Ohms each, with 2 Ohms added on top)
Or are they presenting a 1 Ohm load (6 Ohms each, full parallel)?
It will really help me out on my next amplifier purchase, to know what to look for.
Thanks!
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Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
Each cab is nominally 6 ohms. Wired parallel six cabs would be 1 ohm. I would not size an amp with the intent of using it at its minimum load rating, that's pretty much asking for trouble. Always give yourself some wiggle room.
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Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
Thanks!Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:Each cab is nominally 6 ohms. Wired parallel six cabs would be 1 ohm. I would not size an amp with the intent of using it at its minimum load rating, that's pretty much asking for trouble. Always give yourself some wiggle room.
I plan to get a 1 Ohm stable amp that has been successfully stress-tested at a lower impedance.
Some car audio amps that are 2 Ohm stable get tested at 1 Ohm, and work fine, as long as the electrical system of the vehicle can keep up good supply.
Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
For something like this I'd go with a series-parallel configuration. Lightens the load, and you should be able to get an amplifier with plenty of power to do that easily.
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Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
Here are some 0.5 ohm stable arc welders, oops , i mean car amps:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/cat_f47- ... fiers.html
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/cat_f47- ... fiers.html
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Built:
17" width 10" driver Autotuba
2 x 29" width dual Lab12 Tuba60
6 x DR250 2510/asd1001
In progress:
2 x DR250 2510/asd1001
For best results, point the loud end of the array towards the audience
17" width 10" driver Autotuba
2 x 29" width dual Lab12 Tuba60
6 x DR250 2510/asd1001
In progress:
2 x DR250 2510/asd1001
For best results, point the loud end of the array towards the audience
Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
missing the "haych" on the front of the link..CoronaOperator wrote:Here are some 0.5 ohm stable arc welders, oops , i mean car amps:
[url]ttp://www.sonicelectronix.com/cat_f47-485_i23 ... fiers.html[/url]
Corrected link.... http://www.sonicelectronix.com/cat_f47- ... fiers.html
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Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
correctedTom Smit wrote:missing the "haych" on the front of the link..
Built:
17" width 10" driver Autotuba
2 x 29" width dual Lab12 Tuba60
6 x DR250 2510/asd1001
In progress:
2 x DR250 2510/asd1001
For best results, point the loud end of the array towards the audience
17" width 10" driver Autotuba
2 x 29" width dual Lab12 Tuba60
6 x DR250 2510/asd1001
In progress:
2 x DR250 2510/asd1001
For best results, point the loud end of the array towards the audience
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Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
Hey Ryan,
Yep it's what we often do, work things out with nominal impedance.
Ages and ages back someone pointed out looking at impedance charts for the driver as well though.
The reason being that some frequencies are running well below nominal impedance, and that can be even more of a problem when paralleling cabs when it comes to amp loads.
If it turns out that by paralleling you have impedance at some frequencies below your amps specs (vs nominal impedance), you may well have to consider series/parallel...
Yep it's what we often do, work things out with nominal impedance.
Ages and ages back someone pointed out looking at impedance charts for the driver as well though.
The reason being that some frequencies are running well below nominal impedance, and that can be even more of a problem when paralleling cabs when it comes to amp loads.
If it turns out that by paralleling you have impedance at some frequencies below your amps specs (vs nominal impedance), you may well have to consider series/parallel...
Built:
DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" KL3010LF , 2 x 28" 3012LF.
WH8: x 6 with melded array wired series/parallel.
Bunter's Audio and Lighting "like"s would be most appreciated...
DR 250: x 2 melded array, 2x CD horn, March 2012 plans.
T39's: 4 x 20" KL3010LF , 2 x 28" 3012LF.
WH8: x 6 with melded array wired series/parallel.
Bunter's Audio and Lighting "like"s would be most appreciated...
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Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
Oh, I'm well aware. That's why I make the point to say "nominal" a lot.Grant Bunter wrote:Hey Ryan,
Yep it's what we often do, work things out with nominal impedance.
Ages and ages back someone pointed out looking at impedance charts for the driver as well though.
The reason being that some frequencies are running well below nominal impedance, and that can be even more of a problem when paralleling cabs when it comes to amp loads.
If it turns out that by paralleling you have impedance at some frequencies below your amps specs (vs nominal impedance), you may well have to consider series/parallel...
But it seems to me that some car audio amplifier manufacturers take that into account, and make "1 Ohm stable" amps that can handle dropping down to .3 Ohms for a single note's duration without complaining too much.
It's one of those amps I'll be getting. Something that the car audio community has verified can handle periodic dips to "unsafe" territory without letting out the magic smoke.
I'm seriously considering this amplifier: http://www.caraudiobargain.com/new-cab- ... amplifier/
My audio team president bought one, and ran it at .25 Ohms (nominal!) full-tilt for about 4 hours. It did end up dying a horrible death, but he's getting it replaced.
I really don't want to continue to run series-parallel, only because an amp rated for 1.2kw at 4 Ohms is gonna be very expensive, and the current amp I'm running is only capable of 550w at 4 Ohms... so each cab is only getting about 90w. Half of power handling. And that 3dB could be the difference between a first-place trophy, and a 4th place ribbon.
Edit: btw, thanks, everyone, for your contributions. I realize I'm kinda doing something that's off the reservation, so to speak, and I appreciate all the viewpoints you guys provide. I really like this community, and all the awesome help and ideas.
Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
you can wire lower then the minimum impedance with car audio because of box/impedance rise. basically with car audio if you wire to 1ohm your amp will read around 2ohm, maybe even 3ohm.
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Re: Calculating nominal impedance with multiple BFM subs.
In this case, we are taking the "box rise" into account at the onset; that is why 6 6-Ohm cabs go down to 1-Ohm nominal. They're loaded with 4-Ohm drivers, but that extra 2-Ohms is the "box rise".truitt wrote:you can wire lower then the minimum impedance with car audio because of box/impedance rise. basically with car audio if you wire to 1ohm your amp will read around 2ohm, maybe even 3ohm.
Good looking out, though. Not everyone knows about impedance rise.