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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:12 am 
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I have an XF 210 and am considering buying a pair of basslite 10's for greater power handling capacity. Any thoughts on this choice? I play mostly clean to somewhat overdriven and don't really care to have speaker distortion in my sound. I use a Quilter Mach 2 head and play in a wedding band that needs to cover many styles in one show.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:21 am 
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The highs will be poor. Just look for a guitar driver with 2mm xmax.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:23 am 
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That was my concern, thank you very much for the fast reply.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:25 am 
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This is another driver I'm considering:

Mech. Compliance of Susp. (Cms) 198.897 mm/N

Is this the idea? There is no Xmax listed in the specs for this driver.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:29 am 
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What is the Xmax of the eminence legends I have in there currently? I didn't see that on the spec sheet for them.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:48 am 
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I found a spec sheet on the legends that said this:

Maximum Linear Excursion (Xmax): 0.0mm

can that be right?

Perhaps my question is what are some recommendations for drivers that meet that spec? I dig american vintage fender tones primarily.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:33 am 
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damon78 wrote:
I found a spec sheet on the legends that said this:

Maximum Linear Excursion (Xmax): 0.0mm

can that be right?

Perhaps my question is what are some recommendations for drivers that meet that spec? I dig american vintage fender tones primarily.


Which Legend do you have? There are two models in the 10 inch. One is a 35 watt speaker, the other a 75 watter. Plus, in the 75 watters, there's the choice of 8 or 16 ohm.

If you really don't want any speaker breakup (distortion), then go with a PA speaker like a 3010. But, I really don't think you'll like it. That vintage American tone you speak of comes with some speaker breakup - even when played clean. That's what gives it the harmonics that make it sound fatter.

If your speakers are the 35w Legends, you could step up to the 75w versions. They will let you hit 'em with more power before breakup.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:50 am 
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damon78 wrote:
I found a spec sheet on the legends that said this:
Maximum Linear Excursion (Xmax): 0.0mm
That indicates an under-hung voice coil. The old way to measure xmax is the coil depth minus the plate thickness, but with an under-hung coil the coil is shorter than the plate, so you can't do it that way. The current Klippel method is to measure with a laser excursion at 10% THD. Apparently Eminence hasn't gotten around to measuring all of their older models with Klippel.
BTW, there's more than one Legend driver. It's a series, not a model.


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I have legend 3058s 75 watt. Was hoping for something beefier, maybe just a second cab?


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damon78 wrote:
I have legend 3058s 75 watt. Was hoping for something beefier, maybe just a second cab?
I assume you mean the 1058. From what I can tell the 1028 probably has the most excursion.


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Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
damon78 wrote:
I have legend 3058s 75 watt. Was hoping for something beefier, maybe just a second cab?
I assume you mean the 1058. From what I can tell the 1028 probably has the most excursion.


But it also has the lower power rating which would make me think it would break up faster than the 1058.

I run the 1058s in my XF210 and they are pretty clean ..... and I run with only a 25 watt head. If you are driving them with 100 watts - they should stay pretty clean up to very loud levels before breaking up.

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But it also has the lower power rating which would make me think it would break up faster than the 1058.

Break up is what happens when the speaker hits xmax in the lows, it's not related to the power rating of the voice coil. Most guitar drivers have xmax of 1mm or less, so that you don't have to put 100w into them before they break up, with high power rated voice coils so that you can push them really hard without burning them out.


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Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
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But it also has the lower power rating which would make me think it would break up faster than the 1058.

Break up is what happens when the speaker hits xmax in the lows, it's not related to the power rating of the voice coil. Most guitar drivers have xmax of 1mm or less, so that you don't have to put 100w into them before they break up, with high power rated voice coils so that you can push them really hard without burning them out.



ahhh.....I've never had a problem with not being able to get enough volume before speaker breakup. My rig gets louder than I want to play and stays clean unless I let the amp break it up.
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Damon78, are you playing through a PA or just trying to keep up with a loud band onstage?

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Bruce Weldy wrote:

ahhh.....I've never had a problem with not being able to get enough volume before speaker breakup. My rig gets louder than I want to play and stays clean unless I let the amp break it up.
When playing guitar I usually had the opposite problem, by the time I got the tone I liked it was way too loud. Using an EVM12L didn't help...


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Bill Fitzmaurice wrote:
Bruce Weldy wrote:

ahhh.....I've never had a problem with not being able to get enough volume before speaker breakup. My rig gets louder than I want to play and stays clean unless I let the amp break it up.
When playing guitar I usually had the opposite problem, by the time I got the tone I liked it was way too loud. Using an EVM12L didn't help...



HA! Yeah, those EVs needed a whole lot of power to get nasty....and of course if you ran it with a high powered amp - it would take even more volume to get the amp to break up. The old Mesa Mark IVs came with the option of the EV....great if playing country....or playing really loud.

I've constantly over the years looked for the tone I want in a smaller, quieter package and let the PA do the work. And with playing direct 90% of the time....I've found it.

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