Grant Bunter wrote:
If you're running subs in FOH, unless it's a stadium size gig, don't use a sub on stage for bass guitar.
Think jacks or simplexx as bass guitar cabs.
DI bass guitar in to the mix
Okay, I thought I had read somewhere about a Titan being used as a dedicated bass cab somewhere in the past (someone's anecdotal story about the 'bass being absolutely sick' and outdoing whomever's 4x10 full stack... nice testimonial copy btw but I forget where it is) but I can't remember where on site. I might be confused.
Putting the bass guitar into the mix is one option but it then leaves the question of what system to use during practice in the garage at home. (unless that's still the PA kit) Preferably something that can keep up with a detuned 5 string playing Korn in the worst case.
Grant Bunter wrote:
What about for vocals?
Please explain more thoroughly. Do you mean monitors, or acoustic type gigs?
Just the speakers aimed at the crowd for vocals needed to keep up with dedicated guitar and dedicated bass amps. As opposed to those aimed at the vocalist for monitoring.
Whether were singing classic rock, screamo, metal, rap, whatever. Enough volume that the guitar/bass/drums doesn't drown out the vocals and there's good dispersion for the crowd - with a preference for smaller size and pack space since the station wagon would at that point already be full of guitar cabs, bass cabs, and a drum kit.
Grant Bunter wrote:
What about separately adding speakers for a keyboardist who likes to play LOW electronic samples, what speakers and power would you think to be 'enough'? (or is that a situation where it's "just mix the keyboardist in with other stuff and play it all thru the PA" instead of dedicated keyboard speakers... aka dont bring keyboard speakers meant to fill the room, just keyboard audio monitors for the player, and expect to need a full even if smaller PA kit)
Full range cab will do keys, so again, jack eg J15
Or a WH10.
Right, i'm just wondering if best practices would be "if you need a full range cab for the keyboard, you might as well mic everything and play it all thru the PA, both practicing at home and for small gigs".
Maybe i'll start over from ground zero so it makes more sense:
Basically i've inadvertently volunteered myself as speaker builder by telling other potential financially challenged bandmates that I know of some super cool, efficient speaker designs to get us all kitted up and everyone is sold on the idea, they're just waiting on me to build stuff. We've screwed around on little practice amps (ie 8" guitar amp crap) with each other which just doesn't have the oomph to keep up to play for others/so directional and beamed that only directly in front of the guitar amp does it keep up with a drum kit and then the guitarist cant hear it well, etc etc...
So i've been planning on ordering the full plans CD at some point.
I'm trying to avoid too much redundancy in the sense of if i'm building one set of speakers for more than one use that's better than having two/three sets... but if the first set is oversized it defeats the point. I could just build a monster PA that if we can't haul it around and I cant get it down the narrow stairs for a basement party it becomes overkill for the smaller gigs and we'll hate every time we move it.
We have a potential keyboardist who'd like to jam but lacks amps/speakers to keep up with anything, so that's a separate question.
So i'm trying to figure out a total package of multiple projects to potentially build for all of us, to cover multiple situations... 2x12 guitar amps (at least for practice, possibly for performance if its loud enough to keep up with a full kit over a good dispersion pattern), undecided bass guitar amp, obviously required vocal amp and vocal monitors (assuming guitarist and bassist dont need monitors or will be near their rigs)... with a maybe added keyboardist at times complicating things either forcing a full PA or adding something just to play keyboard sounds with good dispersion separately. And since i'm no sound engineer and don't have experience with bigger equipment (but I do do woodworking) I honestly don't know how much or how loud I should need for any of this or if I should combine signals (keyboard+voice? keyboard+bassist+voice?) or if that forces oversized speakers for when Mr Keyboard isnt there...
Pack size is an issue... we'd like to be able to fit everything into a 2001 Jetta station wagon if at all possible (it may not be) plus a little overage room (I mean the Jetta doesn't have to fit all the people, just most of the bulkier cargo - drums, subs, largest speakers - then other people pile into one or two compacts, which should have room for the guitar in gig bag or some small vocal monitors or the mixer board, etc) without needing an SUV or pickup or trailer. Thats why i'm trying to avoid the largest PA gear even though it's more flexible and will keep up better.