Single Stack works
- LelandCrooks
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Single Stack works
Many thanks to RonK for the single stack tip. It works a treat in a long skinny bar. The club owner asked for prices for me to become the sound provider for his bar. I gave him a good one, it's close and easy.
My new t39's @ 24 wide. 4012 loaded, because I needed to move them, tired of walking by them to pick up 3012lfs to ship to customers. A pair of 250's on top, time for some touchup, they're getting pretty scratched. The show went really well except for channel 1 on the snake popping in and out. The new Digmoda built in amp sounds fabulous. I had to pull down around 512 and that was it. The onboard dsp in the amp I have preset took care of the rest.
One of the bands had a synth bass drop that just killed the place.
If you can't see it, the handle in one of the titans is also the jack plate. I use a single folding handle on the top with the 3" casters. You drag the cab behind you like a rolling suitcase. It works great, only 1 hole to cut.
My new t39's @ 24 wide. 4012 loaded, because I needed to move them, tired of walking by them to pick up 3012lfs to ship to customers. A pair of 250's on top, time for some touchup, they're getting pretty scratched. The show went really well except for channel 1 on the snake popping in and out. The new Digmoda built in amp sounds fabulous. I had to pull down around 512 and that was it. The onboard dsp in the amp I have preset took care of the rest.
One of the bands had a synth bass drop that just killed the place.
If you can't see it, the handle in one of the titans is also the jack plate. I use a single folding handle on the top with the 3" casters. You drag the cab behind you like a rolling suitcase. It works great, only 1 hole to cut.
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- Chris_Allen
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Re: Single Stack works
I've often considered the single stack option - it provides so many benefits:
Pros:
Pros:
- Less occupied floor space
- No comb filtering between tops (Not that there is much)
- Less interference patterns
- Higher array height for DR's and the lower crossing of the piezos
- No cabs on sticks - more stable rig
- Less cable runs
- Easier to mix
- Looks a bit weird
- No stereo
- Won't work in a wide bar
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Re: Single Stack works
Leland,
In this configuration, is there an advantage to stacking the T39s on their side as opposed to standing them up side-by-side? Seems like the footprint is fairly close to the same 39x48 or 48x39. I guess it does get the tops a little higher. Is that the reason for the stack? Or, is there a sound difference in stacking?
In this configuration, is there an advantage to stacking the T39s on their side as opposed to standing them up side-by-side? Seems like the footprint is fairly close to the same 39x48 or 48x39. I guess it does get the tops a little higher. Is that the reason for the stack? Or, is there a sound difference in stacking?
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Re: Single Stack works
It was merely to get the tops a little higher, since the cabs are 24 wide. AFAIK there shouldn't be any difference sonically, if there is it's miniscule. There was just no way to effectively wall or corner load. Didn't need to anyway after I first turned it on. 

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Re: Single Stack works
If they were movered around square on ie perpendicular arse into the wall they would be properly wall loaded wouldn't they? As they are I wouldn't image there's a lot of difference.
Re: Single Stack works
Your quite welcome Leland. Glad it worked for you. I see you have the Digmoda amps listed in some powered designs ; any chance you are going to list them as a for sale individual item? At the risk of taking on more work then I can ever complete (already in that boat) I have been kicking around the idea of a self powered rig for rental.I dont actually have a demand as of yet but I'm certain that if I put one together I'll use it from time to time or someone will express interest sooner or later.LelandCrooks wrote:Many thanks to RonK for the single stack tip. It works a treat in a long skinny bar. The club owner asked for prices for me to become the sound provider for his bar. I gave him a good one, it's close and easy.
My new t39's @ 24 wide. 4012 loaded, because I needed to move them, tired of walking by them to pick up 3012lfs to ship to customers. A pair of 250's on top, time for some touchup, they're getting pretty scratched. The show went really well except for channel 1 on the snake popping in and out. The new Digmoda built in amp sounds fabulous. I had to pull down around 512 and that was it. The onboard dsp in the amp I have preset took care of the rest.
One of the bands had a synth bass drop that just killed the place.
If you can't see it, the handle in one of the titans is also the jack plate. I use a single folding handle on the top with the 3" casters. You drag the cab behind you like a rolling suitcase. It works great, only 1 hole to cut.
Tonight I get to do an oldies band in a huge ballroom where the Dorsey brothers got their start! No single stack here. a crowd of 500 makes this place look empty!

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- Chris_Allen
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Re: Single Stack works
Would it not depend on how long the section of wall is?Gregory East wrote:If they were movered around square on ie perpendicular arse into the wall they would be properly wall loaded wouldn't they?
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- LelandCrooks
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Re: Single Stack works
As soon as they get a user dsp software package done. Right now it's an OEM product. Supposed to be pretty quick.Ron K wrote: I see you have the Digmoda amps listed in some powered designs ; any chance you are going to list them as a for sale individual item?
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Re: Single Stack works
Yeah, I usually do single stack more often than not. Even when running a pair of jacks, i prefer to do a single stack on a stick and just face 90 degrees off. That along with the melded cover pretty much any 180 degrees just fine; and like that, i get the the little extra bass 
The three subs are always in a stack anyways. Of course, if the audience gets too wide, then I'll separate the tops.

The three subs are always in a stack anyways. Of course, if the audience gets too wide, then I'll separate the tops.
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Re: Single Stack works
I've got my DR200's in a single stack at home and use them like that for music listening, It works really well. Kinda hard to get the T39's underneath a four-high stack of DR200's, however...


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Re: Single Stack works
Subs stacked on their sides like that are way more stable than standing upright if yu are stacking tops on top.
Leland- in my experience with the drs it looks like your top cab is pointing up a bit. did you not find the highs went above peoples heads from the top cab? I've found I need to be veeeery careful in pointing a stack of drs.
The venue I run sound in has 2 dr280s per side and the mix booth is 8inches higher the ground. If I dont aim the top cab properly then what sounds great in the booth can lose all top end as I step down to dancefloor level.
Leland- in my experience with the drs it looks like your top cab is pointing up a bit. did you not find the highs went above peoples heads from the top cab? I've found I need to be veeeery careful in pointing a stack of drs.
The venue I run sound in has 2 dr280s per side and the mix booth is 8inches higher the ground. If I dont aim the top cab properly then what sounds great in the booth can lose all top end as I step down to dancefloor level.
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Re: Single Stack works
It was even all over the bar. Very nice, no nasty stuff going on at all. Actually better at the back than than the front. Probably the easiest gig I've done except for ouside, eq wise.
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Re: Single Stack works
Depending on the venue it can actually be beneficial to use the ceiling as a reflection surface for better coverage at the back. I especially like this trick in long, low rooms. It appears that something like this may have been what Leland got this last time out. 

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Re: Single Stack works
I might be stealing this strategy for a gig on friday...
Built:
2x Tuba 30s delta12lf loaded (gone)
4x Otop12 d2512 loaded
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2x AT (1 mcm, 1 gto 804)
2x SLA Pro (dayton pa6, 6 goldwood piezo loaded)
1x bastard XF208
2x OT212 (delta pro 450a loaded, eminence psd)
2x Tuba 30s delta12lf loaded (gone)
4x Otop12 d2512 loaded
8x t48s (18, 18, 24, 24, 30, 30) 3015lf loaded
2x AT (1 mcm, 1 gto 804)
2x SLA Pro (dayton pa6, 6 goldwood piezo loaded)
1x bastard XF208
2x OT212 (delta pro 450a loaded, eminence psd)